Interview with William H. Cox, Jr.

              Interviewee: William H. Cox, Jr. (WC)
Interviewer: Doug Washburn (DW)

DW	Hello, this is Doug Washburn for the Harford County Public Library. Today is 8 October 2013, and I am with the Harford Living Treasure, William H. Cox, Jr. of Bel Air. Good morning, sir. How are you?
WC	Good morning, Doug. Pleasure to be with you.
DW	Thank you. Pleasure to meet you. So can you tell me what year and where you were born?
WC	Sure. I was born right on the Edgewood Arsenal base down in Edgewood, Maryland, July 15, 1942. Obviously, right during the war. My father was in the service and my mother's family and she grew up in the Bel Air area and I went to school at Bel Air High School and some elementary schools in the area. I actually ended up going to elementary school and graduated from the old Bel Air High School which we knocked down. It was in the legislature many years ago.
DW	Between Gordon and Lee. 
WC	Correct.
DW	Ok. Very good. Hmm. So born in '42, seven months after Pearl Harbor. 
WC	Yes.
DW	I'm sure you don't remember '42 or '43 but maybe early memories towards the end of the war?
WC	One of the things, I had a brother two years younger and a sister three years younger. I was the oldest of three. A little incident happened. I didn't listen very well to my grandmother. My mother and father had gone to the Army-Navy football game up in Philadelphia and my grandmother was in charge. So I'd watched my mother and grandmother take laundry from the laundry basket down to the washing machine so I thought – as soon as she left she sat me next to the radio to listen to the Army-Navy football game. And so I didn't stay there very long. My curiosity got the best of me and I picked up a sock out of the laundry basket, went down, turned on the washing machine and the dryer part, the wringer part –put my arm in it and the rest is history. I ended up at Johns Hopkins Hospital and they told my father I would never use my right arm again. I'm still here using my right arm. My father sort of insisted – he was a very good athlete and tri-athlete in high school and college and he was insistent that I do the exercises necessary to strengthen my arm and through many operations, I'm ok. But anyhow.
DW	Well, good. So did he stay in the service?
WC	He stayed in the service. Went overseas in 1952, during the Korean War and we moved to Bel Air, right off of Route 1, in 1952 as I said. Then finished up my elementary school at Bel Air Elementary. Then Bel Air High School and commuted then to University of Baltimore.
DW	Mmm hmm. But the high school that they just took down that would have been –
WC	-- the one they just took down a few years ago is the one I graduated, played football there for a great coach named Al Cesky. Taught me a lot. Great friend and a great mentor.
DW	Do you have any memories of activities in Edgewood or what you did for entertainment?
WC	Yea, sure. Edgewood Elementary School and have fond memories of my first grade teacher, Miss Spencer, actually my second grade teacher just passed away, Miss Harkins. Miss Wallace was third grade and Miss Gunther was my fourth grade teacher. I got involved with the Cub Scouts at that point and then a lot of activities obviously in the area. My earliest recollection about schooling – we had a bus for children that lived on the base that came up to St Margaret's and to kindergarten, I guess it's called today, pre-school or whatever. We commuted up there during, when I was five years old. When I was six I was entered in the first grade, as I stated, in Edgewood Elementary before moving to Bel Air. So a lot of my memories of being on the base, playing with the kids, swimming in the Gunpowder, fishing a little bit. I'm not much of a fisherman but tried to in Bush River and the Bay area which surrounded, obviously, Edgewood Arsenal, now part of Aberdeen Proving Ground. It was a neat childhood growing up. Multi-ethnical community that really gave me a basis of not having prejudice that a lot of people have because of different nationalities, races were in our area that were terrific people. They looked after -- even some that didn't have children, they looked after other children. My earliest memory of going to church was—where actually one day I will be buried is the Mount Carmel Methodist Church down on Wheel Road and Route 24—now old Route 24, 924 and the old Route 24 which now is Old Emmorton Road, it's called. A little stone church that sits there. It was closed in 1954 and now it's been reopened for several years. They have services there on Sunday afternoon at five o'clock and anyhow . . . but we moved to Bel Air and started Bel Air Methodist Church on Main Street in 1968. We moved to where the church is today on Linwood and Main Street.
DW	Ok and the Old Bel Air Methodist would have been just a block and a half on the north side.
WC	That's correct.
DW	Right. Although you're going downhill so it always kind of feels like it's not north. [Laughter]
WC	That's right. [Laughter] It's south. South, yes. Yes.
DW	So actually, the town of Edgewood was probably not real familiar to you since you had a home there on base with the Commissary and. . .
WC	Well, I was familiar because I had friends off base. Actually, I'll talk to you about it when I got my latter career so to speak, a lot of those friends I mentioned I went to elementary school with remained friend friends for a long, long time. I'd run into them periodically at different places. But we had a very good as you say first through the fourth grade that was very, very accommodating as far as each other knowing each other and their families and so forth, it was . . . I went off base as far as. . . because my mother growing up in Harford County, you know, we visited obviously her family which is my cousins which was farmland mainly around the county area. Or, go up to my father's mother's up in West Chester, Pennsylvania.
DW	Ok.
WC	And Downingtown, Pennsyl . . . that's the area my father grew up in. My grandmother lived, Downingtown.
DW	So when you moved to Bel Air certainly in the '50's Bel Air was a different place—
WC	Very different. [Laughter]
DW	and I should have mentioned we are in the historic Hopkins House on North Main and when did you move here?
WC	In this building I bought with another person, Rich Morris, and we bought in in 1979, and he with a group built the building next door and I bought him out here. So I've had an interest in it either 50 or 100% since 1979. And believe it or not, in my younger days Dr. Stephenson Hopkins had an office on Office Street and then here also. He was my dentist for a little while and he was a very kind dentist and I have very good memories of Dr. Hopkins. He was a little stooped over but he was a wonderful—I never thought or dreamed that I would own his home. And his family's home goes back a long, long way. Here on this property, in fact the home here before my guess is that it's about 130 years old, somewhere in that neighborhood. I don't know exactly. Part of it is under historic trust where I maintain like the room we're in now and some of the other parts of the house are maintained and set aside by Amanda Hopkins who was Dr. Hopkins' daughter.
DW	So what businesses do you remember on Main Street?
WC	Well, first, even when I lived on Edgewood Arsenal, my mother's cousin ran Lutz's, Ruth Board. (???) She still lives in the house where she grew up down on Bond Street. Ruth is one wonderful person and her family and her sisters and her mother and her father, I have fond memories because her mother and my grandmother were sisters and so there was regular visit that we'd go up and see Ruth. But also, more importantly I was instilled that any appliances I wanted to purchase had to be through Lutz's and Mr. Lutz and my father were old buddies from motorcycle days when they were younger. So anytime I needed even till they closed I bought all my appliances and my mother did and all her family did from Lutz's. And obviously across the street was Hirsch's Men's Store, or up the street. Pardon me. And Dave Cohen who just passed away recently and he took it over from his father-in-law, Mr. Hirsch, Benjamin Hirsch and so, if I remember exactly -- Boyd & Fulford Drugstore obviously, Richardson's Drugstore on the other corner. And when I was in high school, one of our favorite spots out on Hickory Avenue was Rueben's, the great drive in. And Al Cesky instilled in his football players "No drinking" and so we were out there getting the Suzy Q's and the milkshakes and the hamburgers and a lot of fun
DW	[Chuckles]
WC	just like we did up at Richardson's Drugstore. Same thing. But those were fond memories and some of the realtors actually ended up working for Paul Glackin and Charlie Spaulding when I was starting out in the real estate business. So those businesses were really neat in town. And Preston's – and then the other thing opposite here on the corner was Vaughn Hotel and underneath of it was called Cookoo's ?? Parlor where Red Fox had their original restaurant and now obviously when it burned down – the Vaughn Hotel, they built the Red Fox there but Preston's Stationery Store was right there on the corner and where I ended up when I was in college working a few months for Mr. Preston, Stanley Preston and Don Preston, his son.
DW	I'm interviewing them next week. [Chuckles]
WC	There you go! Don? 
DW	Don and his wife, yes. 
WC	Betty?
DW	Mmm hmm.
WC	And interestingly enough, I lived next door to Betty's sister, Mary Wright who was Mary Wright Barnes who was obviously not only Betty's sister but her father was superintendent of schools, C. Milton Wright.
DW	Right.
WC	Who was a famous writer as far as the history of Harford County. 
DW	Yes.
WC	And I was very happy to be the neighbor of Mary Wright and C. Milton Wright.
DW	Yes. So, let me see. . . events that might have happened in Bel Air. Rap Brown Trial?
WC	That was a big trial and obviously I grew up, as I say, south on Route 1, and I was home when the explosion happened at the old Tollgate House, the Toll House there at Tollgate Road during that trial and that was quite a time. I was actually working at the bank in Aberdeen – First National sold Equitable Trust and I moved from there to a couple of other locations and ended up being at the bank where the County Office Building is, Equitable Trust located here in Bel Air right on that corner of South Main Street and a lot of events happened. Obviously one of the proudest things in high school was that we had in our 1959 football team, an undefeated season and playing as I say for Al Cesky was challenging but you know being a mentor to a lot of us we carried that with us till this day and we reminisce and I told my high school friends, the President of our Class, Bob Carroll, we get together regularly with our high school reunions and I host the reunion committee here when we prepare every five years to have our reunion. Obviously, a couple of years ago was our fiftieth and now we're preparing for our fifty-fifth, I mean Bob's always ahead of time so he calls me up and says, you know, can we use your office for our meetings. I said "Absolutely." We have a great, close class a lot of close friends that played football together, sports, track. You know all sports – and I see them, Joe Phipps, different ones all the time. Donald Gunther, I don't know if you know Don or not, but he worked for the Board of Education. But we had a lot of close friends that are still in the area and then I worked at, after Preston's, I worked at the courthouse for a short time and then before I went to the bank and that's where I met two people – Tom Hatem, who is a former delegate, insurance commissioner, chairman of the public service commission, who got me started in politics along with Senator James. Then I ran in 1966 for the House, lost by 69 votes in the general election, won the primary, [missing dialog] ran again in 1970 and won and served twenty years. I'm proud of that service. You can see behind me those five little certificates representing each term that I was elected and proudly served this county and the people.
DW	Yes, you're right. Your name should be well-known to most of our listeners, if nothing else, for you political service so I hope you were a little more productive than they are today. [Laughter]
WC	Well, I'll give you a little – when I was elected as you can see behind you, Governor Mandel was the governor and he was speaker of the house before he became governor. He worked with the legislature, rather than fighting even though he took 235 agencies and created nine departments when I was first there. District Court was created when I was elected – right before that election the District Court came into play and did away with the old Peoples Court and Orphans Court – not the Orphans Court, the Peoples Court and so it gave me a sense of trying to work with others and that's what he instilled in me. And Senator James served his last four years as President of the Senate in my first term. So obviously I worked with him very closely and as I said of Tom Hatem he was best man at our wedding. I got married in 1969 to my lovely wife Paige who was from the Eastern Shore, Dorchester County, Cambridge. She came here to teach in 1968 and we got married in 1969 and have two lovely sons, William the Third and Benjamin. Benjamin has a lovely wife, Tisha, and our grandson and only grandson, Benjamin the Second. But anyhow, it was a very tough time with her being with my being in the Legislature. She had to take care of the business. She taught and I got her to come into the real estate business with me. It was challenging for her. Both sons were born during my tenure early on in the General Assembly, in my first term and so she had to take care of the business, she had to shovel the snow and we had, we were building, got in the building business and those type things, she had to take over during the week. I'd come home on the weekends and upset the apple cart so to speak, but trying to raise two children and manage the household as well as the business is a real challenge. She's been a really, really strong person in my life –almost 44 years, next month. So the challenge in Annapolis in those days was to get things for Harford County because we were a growing county. One of the first bills, the challenge was the creation of the fund called the School Construction Fund. Governor Mandel proposed that -- I happened to vote against it on the first round – went up and had a little meeting with him and he said, "You don't need any new schools in Harford County." And, I said we really do, Governor. He said, "You just voted again the School Construction Program. If you want to change your vote, here's how you do it." So I went down and saw the Speaker, got up and passed and he got a few more votes that helped pass it. We started obviously building a lot of schools in Harford County when the growth was here, so to speak. And in my second term, I got into leadership by Speaker Charlie Hanson Briscoe and also Ben Cardin was Chairman of the now – United States Senator Cardin, Chairman of the Ways & Means and I went on that Committee my second term and chaired the Transportation Committee, sub- committee of the Ways & Means for the next sixteen years and obviously, I was very interested because we needed roads in Harford County. One was obviously, (Route) 24 that took a lot of gas tax increases to stand up for it. It wasn't very popular but if you want to get something accomplished, you work with others whether it's Democrat or Republican to make sure that you have cooperation.
DW	Right. Well, we could use a little more in DC	[Laughter] 
WC	And Maryland! [Laughter]
DW	So, since we're more in the current times, I'm sure that many of our listeners will remember you from you political service but reading the write- up that was provided to me, the number of organizations that you helped with fundraising and being –I don't know whether you're the Silent Partner or the Front Man – but certainly one of the things that we would— that most public around would recognize would be the hospital.
WC	Right.
DW	Do a little history of that. When was that built…?
WC	Well, the land –they were looking for land in the mid-90s, and I happened, as I said, I've been a realtor actually since I was 21 years old, since 19… I've had my license since 1964. Started out with Charles Spaulding, Paul Glackin, and myself. So since 1976, I've had my own company. I found this spot which was the old Durham Farm which I grew up just down the street from. A group had had that land and they wanted to sell it and at that point (Route) 24 had gone through and separated the old Durham land. So I approached the hospital with the idea of being a broker to sell this land for this group.
DW	Approached Fallston Hospital?
WC	Fallston Hospital. Actually it was taken over then by Upper Chesapeake at that point. And so they were looking at a site actually down near (Interstate) 95 and the group I went to see and speak with was Cass Taylor, my close friend and Mike Miller, President of the Senate who is still President of the Senate, and they said, "Well, you're going to have a lot of opposition if the hospital is located down near 95 because of Franklin Square and all the other hospitals affiliated with Franklin Square." So then they looked for a site closer up in the Bel Air area which actually could serve more of the county. They re-purchased the land and obviously what you see there today. I went on the Foundation, I think, in 2004. The Upper Chesapeake Foundation and so I've been on about nine years and anybody that's familiar, you can see what the growth has been there and used both the upgrade of Harford Memorial and where both my children were born. And obviously, earlier on the birthing rights and so forth did not take place at Upper Chesapeake here in Bel Air, but they added that and actually my grandson was born in the new hospital. So recently, in the tour this morning, there is a group interested in contributing to the new cancer center. It's a crown jewel of the hospital as far as what's going to happen there with the treatment of cancer. People in Harford County and obviously nearby, it's a state of the art center working in conjunction with the University of Maryland, so today we will have a state of the art cancer center. The Kauffman Family has donated a good portion of the start-up funds for that center. It is named the Patricia and Scott Kauffman Cancer Center. We're very proud of what's happening. The group—I'm just a small tiny, tiny part of that group that has as a team done a tremendous job in putting this hospital together.
DW 	I see that you're also involved in numerous other local organizations. What is--
WC	Oh! The Greater Bel Air Community Foundation which Don Young and a group came to me to be a member in 1998. They wanted to raise funds for the football field. The actual bleachers, my father helped bring in 19— after he got back from the service overseas—as a group, they brought these bleachers from Bainbridge and Edgewood and so forth, these old wooden bleachers. So they needed new bleachers for the schools. So we got that—sold bricks and a group, a really dedicated group of about 15 citizens from here in the county or in the Bel Air area raised about $400,000 to help the county and the school system—and it's really state of the art. We decided to continue. Bill Humbert was the first Treasurer and Don Young was the first President and I was Vice President and Terry Troy who we called [missing dialog] of our group was secretary. They were the original people. Bill Humbert passed away so Don Young came to me and said "Hey Bill, why don't you take President and I'll take the treasurer position because he worked for the bank. So then a fellow named Jim [missing dialog] head of Parks & Recreation suggested a Golf Tournament. So we've had a golf tournament for the last twelve years to raise a lot of our money and we also have a Night in Paradise at the armory and magic show that we put on. But we raised all the money mainly through the local community for Sticks and Bricks funding the projects here in the Greater Bel Air area. And I'm very proud of that and the other committee that I've chaired until last year was the Greater Harford Committee. What we do there is just make Positives. In other words, stress the positive for Harford County. You hear a lot of negative – we're against, against, against, against but we want to say what the positives are. Let's work together. If we have a lot of problems, let's work together to make things possible.
DW	Hmm. That's very good.
WC	We also have, annually, Harford County Night in Annapolis and that showcases Harford County to the rest of the General Assembly, the Governor, his staff and the General Assembly. And so, I'm proud of that group, proud of what they've done and a group of us, Dick Streett and myself sat right in this room and decided that this is the type thing we need. And Dick and I were partners with the [missing dialog] Farm up at Spenceola up in Forest Hill and so we developed that and then we sat and said "You know, we've got to do something that really stresses the positive because of everybody saying negative, negative, negative. Let's do positive, positive, positive."
DW	I see you're also involved in ARC – Association for Retarded Children?
WC	Well, early on I was and I got – it sits there on my mantel, the John F. Kennedy Award. I introduced a lot of legislation when I was in Annapolis to help them. A very, very worthwhile group helping the physically handicapped to have a better life and helping the families. What the ARC had done in this county has been tremendous. And some of the other associated groups that they have working with them. And I was just proud to be, again, a tiny, tiny part of that because they have a great group of volunteers and professionals that work with that group.
DW	I see you're also involved in American Red Cross. When did that—
WC	That was early on. Red Cross was early on and I headed some of those drives when people—actually before I was elected. You've got to stay involved—after I lost that first election. And so, I believe in community service. If you don't give back to the community and you want help and say to the community, what can we do for you versus knocking the community all the time, just what can we do to be a positive impact on the community. So I chaired that, I was asked to chair that early on, the Cancer Drive, United Appeal, some of those. They were great things. I guess that's where I really got involved in fundraising aspect not only politically but in non-profit groups. So that's helped me over the years to— You know it's tough to ask people for a donation even for five dollars, but you know some of the bigger donors have come alive and said, Ok, what can we do for the community? Help your organization help the community? So that did help.
DW	Hmm.
WC	But it's a team effort, believe me. You're not an individual. You've got to have a team. If you don't have a team – we have anybody that I've mostly associated with has been a team player. If you just act like I, I, I – they don't get very far or they can get for a short period of time but if you say, 'Let's work together as a team,' it's helpful.
DW	Mmm hmm. So what kind of—certainly you've seen changes in Annapolis over the years, but if we come back to Harford County and Bel Air in particular, I guess, what kind of changes have seen in the county that have been for the positive?
WC	Well, I think when some of the legislation even though I've been a developer, been a builder over the years, even though some of the homebuilders and some of the developers really frowned on some of the legislation that was passed I developed with my partner Clive Hendricks started out several single family home developments and you know, two renters, on half acre lots, Hampton Ridge, large lots and then we got into you know, doing what I thought was necessary whether it was road improvements, whether it was bridge improvements to work and make things more comfortable for those persons buying a new home but more importantly: open space. The open space program when I was on the legislature and I really got heck from a lot of realtors in those days, we put the [missing dialog] fee in and of course, they called it tax but it you know provided school construction and then set aside for Parks and Recreation and open space and then we obviously had more programs that happened over the years for land preservation. I think those persons who want to sell their land for preservation, that's their choice. Rather than selling it for development or anything else. But you've got to work with different groups and even though you catch heck for doing certain things you got to look to the future because the future is 'now'. You can look back and things that I didn't like see happen, happened but we can work toward the positive. I'm not proud of some of the things I've done but if I look at the whole, I try to look at the positive things that affect, not only my county, our state and our nation. We've got to look at the whole not just a small piece.
DW	You were talking about the road developments, do you see that the county still needs more because of the growing population?
WC	Absolutely. For instance, the thing that didn't happen on Route 22, we had the funds earlier on to do it first because (Route) 24. You've got to stand up even though the citizens were against it. You've got to explain to them that we have Aberdeen Proving Ground, a major employer, people live—whether it's Bel Air or Fountain Green or Churchville—you have to have a network to get to where you work. And then, obviously, over the years the college bought the land from the Vaughn Family that had expanded over the years and the network is not there, the road network. To get there in a timely manner, obviously in rush hour we always have rush hours, no matter where but and then probably one of the things that didn't happen on 24 when we got the funding for it was to provide, starting at Ring Factory, coming off a county road onto a state road, an egress and – it's something that probably if I had had a little bit more foresight we'd have seen that funding come from the state to the county and say Please work with us to make sure in the future that you didn't have to have as many red lights and stop signs and whatever that could make the traffic flow more freely. And again, we probably need another by-pass in the area to keep the traffic moving because people, they are in love with their car. As much as we try to get Mass Transit, they still love their car and you've got to make sure that even though it's going to upset some people and it did when we got the funding for (Route) 24. I had a lot of people come to me and say 'Can't you do this?' 'Can't you do this?' And I said, 'We will work with you, but this road is going to be built.' A lot of the politicians didn't want to say that but I knew it had to happen and was it a pleasure to face those people that were being displaced or their land being separated? No.
DW	Hmm. Well, are there any other topics you think our listeners might enjoy – maybe some history of the area or –
WC	Well, you know, I think the county is moving in positive direction. Look at the Ma & Pa Trail, for instance.
DW	Mmm hmm.
WC	Great project. Great. Unfortunately, here in Bel Air there's a piece that hasn't connected that trail completely. I mean, it's great. People love to walk today. You get exercise. You got have a place for people. Bike paths. We need bike paths. What's happening say --the hospital is positive, the new schools are positive, activity centers are positive, places where, like myself you get older, and places to go and meet other people and you know, just not staying home watching TV but being active in the community. I think anybody that has a sense of need needs to be involved; get involved. Get involved with whatever program you feel you're comfortable with, you know that you can be a part of, or feel that you can contribute to, do that to help our community. We are a community. And to stay a vibrant community, people have to be involved whether it's in Parks & Recreation, whether it's in the sports program that your son or daughter or grandson or granddaughter, nephew, niece or whomever – get involved.
DW	We live in the north part of the county and I know we use the trail quite often. [Chuckles]
WC	Yes. Right.
DW	It's a very enjoyable place to go to. So...
WC	You know, it's been great growing up here; great raising my family here. And my oldest son he's an urban guy, he lives now in Lanham but he's been all around. He went to school in Boston and Emerson College and then went to New York, Seattle, San Francisco, Dallas and back to Atlanta, so he's one that – that's where my youngest son went away down in North Carolina for a little while and is back and works here in Harford County and raising his family here. You know everybody has their own sense of urgency of where they would like to be or go or see, but there's no place like home. I go to a place in Florida, a place on Eastern Shore but it's always great to come back to Harford County and my roots. As I say, my mother's family goes back to the 1700s and someday I'm going to take that time to go next door [Chuckles] and say, Ok, great! What she told me—she passed away at an early age—what she had talked to me about maybe I can learn a little bit more about myself.
[Laughter]
DW	Ok, sir. Well, I know you have an appointment to go to so I'm going to say thank you very much. I appreciate your time.
WC	My pleasure.
DW	Like I say, most people remember you maybe in politics but I think your legacy will be the hospital and the Foundations that you worked for.
WC	The hospital is not mine. The hospital is many others' but it takes a team. I just happen to represent the group that owned the land to find the site. Everybody else did the fundraising for the buildings and that type of thing. We had some great people—Mr. Sheldon, Dr. Snyder and now Dick Streett is head of the Foundation. You know, we've had a great team to do those things and if you're only a little piece, just a little part of it, you know, just again that team effort is what works. You know, the biggest change, obviously you asked me about change, was we put the bill-- Senator James – we sat down in a meeting one day and said we got to change the type of government we have in Harford County – the County Commissioner and get with – instead of in Annapolis we had to put all the bond bills in each session, so they have to wait each 90 day session if they wanted to have a bond bill or whatever. So then we put the bill in to create a charter government and it was on the ballot in 1972 and then obviously that's been a big change for government and it's been charter government here in Harford County. Some say for the positive; some say for the negative. My opinion is when you have a government close to the people that serves you best. And that was a bill that again was a challenge. Those people were entrenched. The old line in County Commissioner Government and individually elected Treasurer and individually elected this; elected that. The change you need to take place and we left it up to the people. People voted on it and they voted for it.
DW	Close vote or ?
WC	It was a fairly sizable vote in favor. I can't remember exactly what the percentage was but it was not as close as you might think. I thought it would be closer because of the entrenched people in County Commissioner form of government but they voted in favor of charter and here we are.
DW	Here we are. [Laughter] I guess our current executive might expand his political view.
WC	I met David when he was actually a City Councilman in Havre de Grace and then became Mayor and then actually took one of the seats when I got defeated in 1990, he took one of the Delegate seats and ran for the Senate and I supported him. He got elected to the Senate and then obviously County Executive and now he's running for the big spot up on the second floor – we call it the second floor of the capitol in Annapolis. [Laughter] That would be neat. Two Harford Countians born here elected Governor. One is William Paca. According to my mother we're related. I don't know. I'll find out maybe someday. I should have found out about 50 years ago. And the other is Governor Bradford born right here in Bel Air. And that governor was born down at Bush, down there off of Route 7, Post Road. I think Governor Paca was elected Governor was in Anne Arundel County; ended up living on the Eastern when he passed away. Governor Bradford had an estate right in Baltimore City, now Baltimore City,
DW	Governor Bradford's grandson was-- had the first school even before Harford split from Baltimore down in the Joppa area.
WC	Right, right. So a little bit of history. 
DW	Ok, sir. Thank you.
WC	Thank you.